Entry 001, Rhetorical tricks

Whataboutism

Also known as: Tu quoque, And what about…?, The 'you too' move

Answering a criticism by pointing at someone else's wrongdoing ("and what about them?") so the original point never gets dealt with.

Easy to spot once you know it

Spot it

  • A question is answered with a different accusation instead of an answer.
  • The new accusation is about someone else, usually the other 'side'.
  • Both things may be true, but only one of them was the topic.
  • The reply ends the conversation instead of moving it forward.

How it works

You raise a problem. Instead of an answer, you get a mirror: “Oh, and what about what YOUR people did?” The reply does not say the problem is false. It does not say it is fine. It simply drags a different problem into the room and hopes nobody notices the first one walked out.

That is the whole trick. Whataboutism works because the counter-accusation is often true. Yes, the other side also did something bad once. That feels like a fair point, so your brain files the exchange as “both sides, whatever” and moves on. The original question never gets an answer, which was the goal.

It has a long history as a tool of state propaganda. Soviet spokespeople famously met any criticism of the USSR with “And you are lynching Black people”; the phrase became a running joke, but the technique never went away. EUvsDisinfo, the EU’s disinformation database, has catalogued thousands of pro-Kremlin items that answer questions about the war in Ukraine with “what about Iraq?”, “what about Libya?”, or “what about Yugoslavia?”. The questions about Iraq may well be worth asking. They just are not an answer.

Example

@real_talk_88, 3h So the ministry lost 40 million on a contract with no bidding process?

@patriot_pulse, 2h Funny how you never post about the last government’s stadium deals. Selective outrage much?

Notice what did not happen: nobody said the 40 million is fine, or fake. The conversation now has a new topic, a new villain, and the original question is quietly dead.

Why it works on you

  • It looks like fairness. “Both sides” sounds balanced. But balance means judging each case on its merits, not refusing to judge any case at all.
  • It triggers team loyalty. When your side is accused, you feel defensive, so you reach for the other side’s sins as a shield. See us vs. them.
  • It is exhausting. After a few rounds, people give up and conclude “everyone lies”. That cynicism is often the actual goal (see nothing is true, everyone lies).

What to do

When someone does it to you: acknowledge and park it. “Could be. Happy to talk about that separately. Right now I asked about this.” Repeat calmly. You do not have to win the second argument to keep the first one alive.

When you catch yourself doing it: ask whether you are answering or deflecting. If the honest answer is “I’m changing the subject because I don’t like where this is going”, say so. Or better, answer.

In a comment section: do not call people liars. Link the technique. “This is whataboutism, here’s how it works” moves readers more than any insult.

Don’t confuse it with

  • Pointing out hypocrisy is legitimate when the hypocrisy is the topic (“you voted against this rule, then used it yourself”). It becomes whataboutism when it is used to avoid a question that stands on its own.
  • Asking for consistency (“would you apply the same standard here?”) is fine if you then also answer the original point.

Reply kit

Calm, copy-pasteable replies for when you meet this under a post. Link the technique, not the accusation.

  • That might be true, but it doesn't answer the question. Both things can be bad. Can we stay on this one first? (What's happening here: https://manipedia.eu/en/whataboutism)

  • This looks like whataboutism: swapping the topic for someone else's wrongdoing. Here's how it works: https://manipedia.eu/en/whataboutism

  • Fair point to raise separately. For now I'm still curious about the original question. https://manipedia.eu/en/whataboutism

We know not every reply sounds natural as a comment, so feel free to put it in your own words. They are here to help, above all older friends and relatives, who often know these tricks less well and so are frequent targets. Reaching them is one of this site’s most important goals.

Sources & further reading

  1. Whataboutism (Merriam-Webster, Words We’re Watching)
  2. EUvsDisinfo: whataboutism in the disinformation database
  3. Ben Zimmer: The Roots of the “What About?” Ploy (Wall Street Journal, 2017)